[00:00:09.180] - Gordon
Hello.

[00:00:09.470] - Taylor
Hello.

[00:00:09.810] - Gordon
My name's Gordon from Drayson Design.

[00:00:11.650] - Taylor
And I'm Taylor from The Creative Tinker.

[00:00:13.530] - Gordon
And welcome to "This Week with Taylor and Gordon," a weekly podcast and vidcast where we talk about things that have affected our businesses over the last seven days. And welcome back.

[00:00:24.570] - Taylor
Welcome back.

[00:00:25.460] - Gordon
Thank you for joining us. Had a bit of odd weather over the last week. Really nice and then really rainy. It only affects the dog, really, doesn't it?

[00:00:37.450] - Taylor
Well, yeah, it affects the dog. It can affect your mood, I think.

[00:00:40.930] - Gordon
Do you think?

[00:00:41.680] - Taylor
I think with a nice sunny day, I feel like you're a lot happier and a lot more positive because I don't know, the sun gives off Vitamin D, doesn't it?

[00:00:50.390] - Gordon
Well, I think to know if it affects your mood, you actually have to go out and look at the weather, which I don't always do.

[00:00:57.570] - Taylor
I have the sun coming into my room in the morning.

[00:01:00.750] - Gordon
Yes, I have my blinds closed because that way I can make sure I've got a constant light in my office. Therefore, it doesn't matter what time of day it is, the light is always the same. Because if you're doing video editing or graphic design, it's always good to make sure the colours are constant. So I don't always know what it's doing outside. Having said that, I do have a system set up so that if it's going to rain, my hue lights will flash blue for me and then they'll go to blue. So I know it's going to rain at that point.

[00:01:32.730] - Taylor
Okay.

[00:01:33.170] - Gordon
Yeah. So there we go. That will dull my mood, I guess, if I see the lights going blue. So onto today's topics. Do you want to go first?

[00:01:44.890] - Taylor
Yes.

[00:01:44.890] - Gordon
Okay.

[00:01:44.890] - Taylor
So recently, I've just finished a custom boiler quote builder. Now, this is for another agency for their client. And essentially what it does is you put in what type of boiler you have; how many bedrooms you have; how many bathrooms; where the flue comes out; if you want to upgrade to a combi boiler, and it takes all of these parameters and it spits out a price. Now, it doesn't just pick a random number. These are all calculated based on all the options you give. So first of all, when you select the type of boiler you've got, that affects the base price that we start with. Now, if you want to upgrade to a combi boiler, then it has a...

[00:02:35.580] - Digital Voice
Quick stretch Taylor.

[00:02:37.160] - Taylor
Quick stretch. Then it has a surcharge because you want to basically replace the boiler that you've currently got with a different system. Depending on how or where the flue is located will depend on, again, the price, because if it's in a certain position, I think it's either in the wall or if it's by a door, for example, it changes how complicated the installation is or whatever. And obviously, number of bathrooms, again, will push the price up because the more bathrooms that you've got, the more places you've got to basically run pipes to and things like that. And it all gets calculated in the back end. And then it gives you the option, or it says "this is what we recommend," and it suggests a boiler.

[00:03:25.780] - Gordon
Sounds very complicated. I understand for the customer, it's really useful and easy. But for building purposes, that sounds like a very difficult task.

[00:03:35.300] - Taylor
Yeah. So the client kept on changing the specifications of how things were calculated, which obviously meant the code was changing, which made it a bit confusing. I think because it was such a complex calculations and system that we were building, the client didn't fully know what they wanted. They were still trying to figure some things out. And there were some things where we had placeholders of, "we'll figure out what the numbers are for this part" and things like that. And we also have a system where if you say that you have a standard or a system boiler but that you don't want to upgrade to a combi, then it will recommend you the type of boiler that you've got to basically replace with. But then also we have a little upsell thing where it says, "we also recommend," and it shows you the combi boiler because that's the ones that they want to push and are suggesting you to get. So yeah, it gives you your boiler recommendation, depending on the size of the house and things like that, there's different types of boilers. But then it also says, "we also recommend the combi boiler," obviously the one that's right for the size of your house because they change, which is quite nice. And again, it takes in another level of complexity because you've also then got to say, "Okay, well, which boiler have we got to suggest to them based on the size of their house?" And there were different ones for different sizes of houses. And yeah, so we had to take that into consideration.

[00:05:16.150] - Gordon
So it sounds like it was a difficult task to complete. What did you decide to do in the end? What route did you take?

[00:05:24.330] - Taylor
So we used Fluent Forms as the base form plug-in. And Fluent Forms has lots of hooks that you can use to extend the functionality of the plug-in. And again, none of this, most of this wasn't built in. I had to basically do all the calculations after they had selected all of their options. Now, you can do calculations within Fluent Forms, but because of the way that the client wanted to calculate things, it wasn't possible within the limits of Fluent Forms, which is why we had to go a bit more custom and do everything after they hit the submit button, which obviously made it a bit more complicated because we had these surcharges where they weren't just, 'if they select combi, add the X amount on.' It was completely different pricing that didn't have any correlation between whether you have one bathroom, two bathrooms, or three plus bathrooms, for example. They were just arbitrary numbers that have been picked out by the client based on, I guess, the cost that it has, that they buy, I guess, the boilers at.

[00:06:35.210] - Gordon
So it's all completed. Customer's happy?

[00:06:37.490] - Taylor
I think so, yeah. I'm waiting on a review from the client, well from my client for his client to check over and confirm if they're happy with everything. But yeah, it came out really nicely. Everything was done in the website's font, styling, all of the colours and things like that. And when I was building it on my test site, I pulled down all of the CSS variables that the staging site had. So when I was styling the form, I just used the CSS variables. And then when I migrated it over, it automatically picked up the CSS variables that had already been set. And obviously, I didn't have to hard code any values in, and everything was styled by default from the website.

[00:07:23.930] - Gordon
Very good. Yeah. Good job by the sounds of it. And nice to find a new use for Fluent Forms because we use Fluent Forms quite a lot. And it's nice to be able to push it and see what it can actually do with the hooks.

[00:07:38.540] - Taylor
Yeah, there's lots of things. I'm working on a couple of other custom things where, again, extending the functionality over and above what is possible. And I've hit a couple of limitations, not from being able to extend the hook, but because certain hooks don't exist. And I've asked and said, "can you add these hooks?" Because basically you have two types of hooks. You have an 'action' hook and you have a 'filter' hook. Filter hook essentially allows you to modify the data and the variables before it continues on to the next step. And an action hook is a point in which you can trigger or run your own custom code. So when the form is submitted, you have before it gets inserted to the database, after it's been inserted to the database, after everything's been completed and you get a success and they've given you the confirmation, saying, "Thank you for filling in the form," or whatever. And you've got these different points of basically an entire cycle, like a submission life cycle. And yeah, there are certain places where it would be nice to be able to modify the data at a certain point for an integration or whatever, and it doesn't exist. And it's not because it's been poorly coded. It's just most people don't need to use these hooks. Now, Fluent Forms already has hundreds of hooks that are really useful. A lot of them are undocumented. And so I go looking through the source code to find the hooks that I need. And that's normally where I find a restriction. It's like you've hard coded a value and I'm like, I want to change this myself. And it's very easy to just add a filter and say, "if people want to hook into this, they can and modify it." So I've obviously given that feedback and it's nice and I have a bit of a... Because I'm friends with the person who owns WPManageNinja, which is the company that build Fluent Forms, I can talk to him directly and we have some good chats about the future of the plug-ins and things like that.

[00:09:53.420] - Gordon
Very good. Anything else you want to say?

[00:09:56.200] - Taylor
I think that's everything. I've definitely pushed Fluent Forms, I think, to its limits, at least at the moment, and I'm always thinking of new ideas. We spoke a while ago about the QR scanner system that I built with Fluent Forms. And again, that was completely extended and above what Fluent Forms was built for and should be used for, kind of manipulating the form into a circle into a square hole kind of thing, or other way around, shall I say, making it do things that it wasn't intended for but can kind of work.

[00:10:33.740] - Gordon
Yeah, very good.

[00:10:35.550] - Taylor
So what about you?

[00:10:36.760] - Gordon
So I mentioned a couple of weeks ago about my party bag system. So I create, not I create, I build party bags for my children's parties. And in a busy weekend, I could do four, five parties. And if you take an average of 20 party bags at each party, that's potentially 100 party bags in a weekend that I need.

[00:11:05.560] - Taylor
That was a very quick maths.

[00:11:06.770] - Gordon
So I need to figure out... Thank you. I need to figure out, I needed to figure out a really efficient way to make these party bags. And I came up with a system that has evolved over time.

[00:11:23.090] - Taylor
Okay.

[00:11:23.960] - Gordon
So first of all, the party bags themselves I had printed in China. So they were printed on normal size party bags, this size. For those people who are listening, it's a normal... If you went to a party...

[00:11:41.950] - Taylor
A5.

[00:11:42.660] - Gordon
Yes, not quite A5. It's a lot thinner than A5.

[00:11:46.110] - Taylor
It's like a letter.

[00:11:47.470] - Gordon
Yeah, it's like a DL envelope type size. And I wanted that particular size for a reason. One is that they don't take up too much space, but more importantly, that as you put things in, they fill up quicker. You can get A5 sized bags, which other entertainers I know use. And the problem with that is you put all the things I put in and it looks like it's hardly got anything in it. And I wanted it to look full because it's perceived value. There is good value in these party bags, but I wanted it to look like it was a better value than it possibly is. So I had them made. But the problem is you have to have 50,000 at a time printed.

[00:12:32.940] - Taylor
Wow.

[00:12:32.940] - Gordon
Because that's the minimum run that they do. So that's what I did. And actually, this is my second run because the previous run was for my last house when I was in my last house. And I had a different telephone number then. And I put the telephone number on the bags, which was a mistake. Should have put the website address because that doesn't change. That's what I did in the second run. And I had to dump all the first runs, which was a real shame.

[00:12:59.970] - Taylor
How far did you get through, do you think?

[00:13:02.760] - Gordon
Hardly any. I guess I used about 5,000, so maybe 10%. So hardly any. Anyway, so the system I have is I've got all the prizes that I buy in bulk. They come in big boxes and they get stored in the loft. We used to have, talking of plumbing, before we changed our boiler over, we used to have a hot water tank in the loft, and that got taken out because we put a combi boiler in. But you still have all the extra supports in the loft for that weight because it's very heavy, a metal tank full of water. And I'm using that to store all of the boxes of prizes. And I buy prizes, maybe 10,000 at a time for each item. And I've got about seven items, I guess. So there's a huge number of prizes that I have in stock. Obviously, they go down and I have to replace them with new items. Quite often I can't get the same items, so I have to get new items. And to build the bags... I've got printing as well by the way, I should say, I've had these booklets created and folded, which are postcard size, and I have my photo postcard, and both of those go in the bags as well. So they're pre-done, they're made already. So I bring all of the prizes that I've got in the loft and I fill up boxes. So these are sort of Tupperware containers which take enough for maybe 400 ish party bags at a time, and they get filled up. So I'm not continually going up and down to the loft. Once the boxes get empty, I go to the loft, refill it, I'm done for another 400.

[00:14:46.800] - Taylor
And they get stored in the garage.

[00:14:48.600] - Gordon
So yes, the Tupperware containers get stored in the garage. So they're nice and easy to get in, so I can build party bags quickly and easily.

[00:14:58.030] - Taylor
Stored in the same place as your actual party bags are kept as well.

[00:15:01.910] - Gordon
Yes, they are. And the garage is not used as a garage. It's used as a storage facility. And having them in plastic boxes means that they're protected from environmental weather conditions, rats, or mice. I had some sweets that I give out during my children's parties, which are in big bags, and they were in the garage. And when I came back from being away for three weeks, these two 2 kilogram bags, so that's 4 kilograms worth, had pretty much been eaten.

[00:15:38.320] - Taylor
It's not good.

[00:15:39.390] - Gordon
It was very sad, especially as the price had sky rocketed for these bags. I had to pay twice as much to get another couple of bags down. So the sweets are in the house now. So I bring them all into the lounge. I've got the party bags, which I sit down, I put all of the paper items in. So that's my photo card and the booklet on how to do some magic tricks. They go into them, so they're all still flat. I stick something on the television and I sit there and I just fill a bag, put it down, take the next one, fill a bag, put it down. It doesn't actually take that long. I normally do about 500 ish in one sitting. So I do all of these bags.

[00:16:21.030] - Taylor
How long does that take you?

[00:16:22.820] - Gordon
It could take a couple of hours, maybe. It really depends on...

[00:16:28.050] - Taylor
Do you time it based on...

[00:16:29.290] - Gordon
On my back.

[00:16:29.470] - Taylor
The number of episodes you've watched?

[00:16:31.460] - Gordon
Well, yes, I was watching Wednesday for the last one. I got through two episodes, so I guess that's two hours. I can't remember now. Anyway, so I then have all these party bags. Now, the problem with party bags is they've got little handles, which is great, but if they tip over, things fall out. So I created a holding system. So I have boxes which are about that sort of wide. They hold about 20 bags.

[00:17:01.750] - Taylor
That sort of wide?!

[00:17:03.100] - Gordon
Yeah. So they hold about, that's why I'm saying...

[00:17:04.890] - Taylor
That's useful.

[00:17:05.660] - Gordon
20 bags is what they hold so that the people who are listening understand what I'm saying.

[00:17:10.180] - Taylor
Just over a 30 centimetre ruler probably.

[00:17:12.260] - Gordon
And they're quite deep. They're deep enough for a bag to hang in. And they have dowel rods that go across the top with two little holes on the short ends of the boxes. So it's a long box with no top. So the dowel goes through and the bags hang on this dowel. The dowel goes through the handles. So there's about, I don't know, a centimetre or so, maybe not even that, at the bottom between the bottom of the bag and the bottom of the box so that they hang freely. That way, they are not going to be able to tip over. And if they do tip over, the doweling will stop anything coming out because it's going through the handles. And this is what I use to take to my parties. I have four of these boxes and the dowels will go in and I can take them to parties and bring them back and refill them. So I fill up these dowel with 20 bags. I have extra dowels as well. So I've got...

[00:18:18.060] - Taylor
It's like a coat hanger, isn't it? In like a wardrobe where the hooks go on, there's like a...

[00:18:24.760] - Gordon
Yeah, I guess it's a bit like a wardrobe hanging system. Yeah. That's a good description. Yeah. For those listening or watching, that's a good description. And so I've got another four, one, two, three, four, maybe five of these dowels that don't go in the boxes. So there's four in the boxes and an extra five. And I had, my previous neighbour before we moved, who made all these boxes for me. And he made me a stand, which goes in my garage. And it basically just looks like a shelving unit, if you like, but it's got notches going down.

[00:19:05.800] - Taylor
Shelving unit for rods.

[00:19:08.330] - Gordon
For rods.

[00:19:09.070] - Taylor
Long rods.

[00:19:09.510] - Gordon
Yeah, if you like. And I can put these dowel into this unit and it holds it on the two ends, and then the bags can hang. And again, this time, instead of just hanging without any support, they're actually sitting on the dowel below it, so that the weight is being supported. And so I can put five of these, full of bags, so that's 100 bags there, onto this unit. So when I've got a busy weekend, I can take my boxes out, I can bring them back with an empty dowel, take the dowel out, put a brand new dowel that's got 20 bags in it into the box, and I'm ready to go again. I then have separate Tupperware containers, which are bigger, much bigger, and they just have all the loose bags in them, but they all sit upright, laying on top of each other. And each one of those holds about 200 ish bags. So that it's very easy for me to just grab 20 of those, put them onto the dowel that I've just taken out at the weekend, or back in the office again now, resetting for next week. I just take all the empty dowels, fill them up with bags so that they're all ready to go again. And this system has really meant that I've got lots in stock. So I've always got party bags in stock as soon as I've taken the last ones out of the big Tupperware containers. And so I know now, I know I've got 100 left on my stand, and whatever's in the boxes, I know it's time to make more because I don't want to get down to the point when I don't have any. So it takes another couple of hours for me to find time during the week, stick something on television, make up more party bags.

[00:21:02.460] - Taylor
So how long will that last you then?

[00:21:03.880] - Gordon
So as I said, yeah, I could get through 100 party bags in a weekend. So 400 party bags, 500 party bags. It's going to last about a month. Now, at the moment, things are still getting back to pre-Covid busy-ness. So I haven't actually had five parties in a weekend for a while now. I'm averaging about two to three at the moment. So with that sort of number, it's lasting maybe twice as long. So it's going to be two months or so that I will actually have to sit down and make up more party bags. But the nice thing is I know they're there and they're ready to go, and I haven't got to worry about them. And they don't take a great deal of time to build either, which was always my concern when I did these. The reason I started doing party bags is because I wanted to be able to offer them to parents and make sure that they didn't have to worry about it. Because quite often you'll have a parent that if they do their own party bags, they've invited 20 children, for example, well, they'll go out and they'll buy... Well, you can't buy 20 empty party bags because they come in packs of eight. So already, you've got to buy three packs. And there we have 24. We've got 24. So you've already got more than you need. Then you go and get all the bits that go into the party bags, and you always have to make sure you've got a few extra just in case people you weren't expecting to come turn up. Well, then you've got, as a parent, all these bits left over that you've got nothing to do with. You can't give them away to people because everyone who turns up at the party has got prizes now, they got party bags. And so as somebody who wants to make the life of the parents and the organisers very easy, I supply the party bags. They're included in the price, up to 20. Any children over 20, there's an extra cost for. It means that people don't take the mickey and invite 50 kids. And I'm now supplying 50 party bags for the same price as I'm supplying 20 for; they pay for the extra ones. And it means that if I don't use some of the party bags that I take to a party, and I always take more than I'm expecting. So if they tell me there's going to be 20 children there, I'll take 25, because I don't mind not using them because it means I just bring them back and they get taken to the next party. They never get wasted for me. And the other side of that is that I don't actually charge the parents for the 20 included bags. They get paid for out of my marketing budget because they have my details on the bag. They've got my photo card inside the bag. They've got my booklet showing them how to do some magic tricks, which has my website on it. So it's a way of me getting all of my details home with all the children that have been at the party. And this is probably the thing that gets me the most number of bookings. So I get lots of word of mouth bookings, but I think people find my details from the party bags.

[00:24:15.820] - Taylor
Okay.

[00:24:17.020] - Gordon
So in a way, it's helping me, it's helping the parents. It doesn't take that long now I've got the system set up to actually do it. I do need to make sure that I keep stock in the loft. That's the one drawback, because sometimes I'll get to the last box that I've got of an item, I'll fill up my filling boxes, and then I need to re-order. And there's a minimum order. There's sometimes a wait because I don't know, not necessarily know how long it's going to take for these items to get to me. I have one supplier that I always go to, and I normally spend eight, nine hundred pounds with them at a time. But it's only once every three years, two years, whatever it is that I spend a huge amount of money. But sometimes one item will go quicker than others because the amounts are different. I try and keep them the same, but it's very difficult to do that when they come in six, or nine, or 12, or whatever. It's a big hassle to try and figure out making sure I've got the same.

[00:25:30.360] - Taylor
The lowest common denominator.

[00:25:30.680] - Gordon
Yeah, but it doesn't always work that way because they don't always have the stock. And the way they sell them is in cartons. So they are wholesalers. So I buy a wholesale box and a box will have 60 dozen in it. And another box with a different item because of the size of the products in the same size box will have 40 dozen in them. So it doesn't make sense to get the same number of every item. So I will run out of one item quicker than another item. And I've just got to try and time it so that I can make an order with the things that I need or are about to need at the same time so that I can restock upstairs.

[00:26:11.120] - Taylor
So do you know anyone that does something similar to this?

[00:26:13.240] - Gordon
I know lots of people who do party bags. I don't know anyone who has a system in place to carry them, to take them to parties easily because I just put them in the car in the boxes and I lift up on the dowel. The dowel locks everything in place and that makes life very easy. I think some people turn up with a cardboard box with the bags in them and then they give them out that way. But again, you have a problem with if you fall or if they get knocked over in the car while you're driving somewhere, you'll end up with bouncy balls and mazes and things all over the place. And you don't know which bags they go in and the bags are upside down. And this stops that from happening because all the bags are always, because of gravity, they're always going to be upright. And the box doesn't allow them to swing. So the box is designed so it's narrow enough that it's just bigger than the actual bags themselves. So they can't go anywhere. And even if it fell upside down, nothing would come out because the dowel is closing the bags by holding them through the handles. It's a really good system.

[00:27:22.440] - Taylor
Yeah. And to a bit about when you spoke about the ready to go and things like that, I have something similar for my bags. So I have Peak Design bags. So I have the Peak Design zip backpack, which I love. I have the Peak Design duffle bag, which is like a travel bag. And I also have the Peak Design sling. They're all different sizes and they all have different use cases. So the zip backpack I use is my everyday backpack. Or my everyday bag, should I say? It has my stoma stuff. It has all my tech, has my tech pouch with all of my chargers and mouse and adapters.

[00:28:05.880] - Gordon
Which are all duplicates, right?

[00:28:08.030] - Taylor
Yes. So I have two of everything. So I have a USB C charger, a lightning charger, a laptop charger, USBs and external hard drives, another mouse, HDMI cable, and it all lives in my bag along with my headphones. I've got my Bose QC 35s, which are my noise cancelling headphones. And I also have my noise cancelling Airpod pros, which are my earbuds. And I have some tablets, like, headache tablets and things like that. And it all lives in my bag and it stays in the backpack. Then when I get home, I will take my laptop out and my iPad and they go on my desk and my bed and I use them when I'm at home. And then when I head out, I just put my laptop and my iPad in my bag and I'm ready to go. And I know that my bag is always stocked with everything I need. So I have a squash squirty thing that you can put into water. It's like a small travel one. And I always know that it's going to be full or it's going to have stuff in it. My wallet is always in my backpack, it lives in there. And I know everything is always going to be up to date, and I know everything is in there.

[00:29:33.070] - Gordon
Because the worst thing is getting somewhere and finding you don't actually have the one thing that you need and you can't do your work or your job because you are missing that one cable or because you're missing a charger or whatever it is. So by having that bag all ready to go all the time so that you can just grab it at a moment's notice and go straight off is great. And I have exactly the same with my Magic. I have my bags with, if I'm doing a close up gig, I know the bag is there, it's ready to go. I can grab it and be out the door within minutes. All I have to do is get changed. And the same for my children's shows, all the boxes are all ready to go. And I think having this pre-preparation really makes a difference.

[00:30:16.320] - Taylor
Yeah. So I started this in college, mainly for the fact that I was always traveling to college and back from college, and I took my laptop with me. And it's very annoying to have to keep on unplugging your laptop charger or unplugging your phone charger and putting it in your bag. And it's very easy to forget. I've actually forgotten my headphones sometimes when I have just been in a rush because I was wearing them at my desk. And I get there, I'm like, "Oh, damn it, I left my headphones." But by having duplicates, so I have my iPhone charger, my iPad charger, and I have my laptop charger all plugged in at my desk all the time. They're always there. When I get home, I just plug them in and they start charge, they're ready to charge and I just unplug them and leave them there. And it means I don't have to worry about trying to remember to pack stuff. The only thing I normally have to remember are my headphones because they're the only... And I guess my laptop and my iPad, because they're the only things that ever actually get taken out in both locations. I have another mouse, so I have two magic mouses, one that stays on my desk and one that stays in my bag. And it just means that I never have to think, "have I got something?" Because it will most likely live in my bag. So it's more of when I'm at home, it's like, "okay, I need this. Let me go and grab it from my bag." And I make sure that I put everything back as soon as I've finished with it. And I have the same for my duffle bag. So I have my gym things in there that just stay in there. The only thing I swap out is I have a dirty clothes bag that I can take out. I know anything in there is going to be dirty. It goes in the washing and then I can restock, essentially, my other bag, which is one of the clean clothes with some socks, a T shirt, either gym stuff or an actual T shirt, depending on if I go to the gym in my gym clothes or not. I always know they're going to be in there; my shoes are going to be in there; my padlock. And then I have my sling bag, which is the only one that actually is ever empty. So the reason for my sling was for being able to take my stoma stuff with me when I didn't want to take or didn't need to take my big backpack. So the backpack's really useful if I need my iPad, sorry my laptop. But if I'm just going out to the park or if I'm going up to London, I don't need my laptop, the little sling backpack can fit in my stoma stuff. I can put my wallet in there and my iPad and I can just head off. And as soon as I get home, I make sure that I put my stoma stuff straight back into my backpack because at least I know then if I need my backpack, I can take that and go. And if I ever need the sling, which is less common, but I still do use it regularly, I know that I just need to take the bag out and put it into the smaller one.

[00:33:05.740] - Gordon
Very good.

[00:33:06.530] - Taylor
And it's always ready and you don't have to think about it. And it's the same with wearing the same thing every day. I don't have to worry about...

[00:33:14.270] - Gordon
See? Good Cub Scout. Being prepared. I think that's what it all boils down to. So that's everything from me.

[00:33:23.320] - Taylor
That's everything from me as well.

[00:33:23.970] - Gordon
Thank you very much for joining us. As always, we are on Facebook and on YouTube. You can like, share, and subscribe.

[00:33:32.250] - Taylor
You can also go to our website thisweekwith.co.uk to find all of our past episodes and anything we may have spoken about.

[00:33:38.580] - Gordon
And don't forget, we now have chapters in our videos. It takes a little while until the transcription goes up for those to be done, but they are on two episodes ago because we've had Easter, so the transcription is taking a bit of time. So yes, you can skip through our show and find the bits that are actually something you really want to listen to, something you're interested in. So until next week, 1pm on Friday, we will see you then. My name is Gordon, I'm from Drayson Design.

[00:34:15.200] - Taylor
And I'm Taylor from The Creative Tinker.

[00:34:17.670] - Gordon
Goodbye.

[00:34:18.240] - Taylor
Bye.

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