[00:00:08.24] - Gordon Drayson
Hello.

[00:00:09.06] - Taylor Drayson
Hello.

[00:00:10.29] - Marc Summers
Hello.

[00:00:11.29] - Gordon Drayson
My name's Gordon from Drayson Design.

[00:00:14.01] - Taylor Drayson
I'm Taylor from The Creative Tinker.

[00:00:16.08] - Leo Summers
I'm Leo.

[00:00:16.29] - Marc Summers
And I'm Marc from the Automated Marketing Agency.

[00:00:19.29] - Gordon Drayson
And welcome to this week with Taylor, Marc, Gordon, Leo. It's a very unusual episode again. But the last episode, last week, we had Marc Summers and Caroline Ainsley, who were guests of ours and Marc said at the end of the episode, which was recorded back in February, "If you want to fly me over from America," which is where he lives, to be in the 201st episode, then he'd be very happy to do so. And here he is.

[00:00:52.02] - Marc Summers
Yeah, I appreciate the ticket. Thank you so much.

[00:00:54.19] - Gordon Drayson
It's my pleasure.

[00:00:55.08] - Marc Summers
I wouldn't have been able to be here if it wasn't for the generosity of your listeners paying for my ticket.

[00:01:01.08] - Gordon Drayson
They don't know this yet, though.

[00:01:02.13] - Marc Summers
Right, no. There'll be a link in post, again, below.

[00:01:10.01] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah, and Marc has now said that he doesn't want to come over every single week.

[00:01:14.15] - Marc Summers
I can't do it. We're going to have to, well, one, put me on the bill.

[00:01:20.25] - Gordon Drayson
Plus, he doesn't really like flying much. Oh, no, wait. No, he does. He does like flying a lot.

[00:01:25.29] - Marc Summers
That's what I'm going to talk about today.

[00:01:27.18] - Gordon Drayson
Well, there we go. Let's get straight into our topics. Before we do, Taylor, any news from us? No? Okay, no news. So today, because we are a bit limited for time because of schedules, we are going to go straight into our topics, and it's going to be just Marc and Leo. So, Marc, off you go.

[00:01:47.05] - Marc Summers
Thank you. When I knew Leo was going to be... This is Leo, my son...

[00:01:51.07] - Leo Summers
Hello.

[00:01:51.11] - Marc Summers
If you don't know him yet. When I knew that we had been invited to come, and generously, obviously paid for our tickets. It's lovely of you all. I thought I'd talk about travel and travelling with family. Leo is... How old are you?

[00:02:10.14] - Leo Summers
10.

[00:02:10.20] - Marc Summers
You're 10. Wow. How did that happen? Leo is 10, and what?

[00:02:15.29] - Gordon Drayson
No, just remember the last time you gave him a present and remember how many candles were on the cake. That's always a good way.

[00:02:22.07] - Marc Summers
He doesn't get presents. He just gets my love.

[00:02:24.21] - Leo Summers
That's not true.

[00:02:27.22] - Marc Summers
Leo was actually born in Indonesia, in Bali. That in itself was travel. I've been travelling. I actually didn't actually fly until I was 19. 19 was my first... Wave. I There we go. Watch the video if you don't know what we're laughing at. I didn't actually fly until I was 19. That was the first time I flew. And the first time I flew, I flew from Heathrow all the way to Houston, Texas. It wasn't like I just flew to Paris or somewhere short. It was a 14-hour flight to Houston International Airport with Continental Airways. It doesn't even exist anymore. I've actually flown 658 times since then, which is pretty cool. I use an app called Jet Lover to track all my flights, which is... I love statistics and that sort of thing. And so we moved to Bali in 2014, and Leo turned up nine months later. We then had the joys of working out not just travel, but travel with a newborn and getting passports for a British citizen while you're abroad and all those sort of things. We thought it would be a really good idea to just push our limits and so, we flew to Melbourne, Australia in... So you were born on the 20th of October, right?

[00:04:04.05] - Marc Summers
Yeah, I remember. I was there. In the first week of December, we had to fly to Melbourne, Australia. He was literally six weeks old. But in that six weeks, we had to get his passport, one taking a photograph of a newborn where they're not allowed to smile. That's fine. Newborns don't really smile. They're not allowed to wear glasses. Well, that's okay because he didn't wear glasses.

[00:04:31.13] - Leo Summers
I didn't have glasses yet.

[00:04:32.29] - Marc Summers
Yeah, not yet. We managed to get the passport, passport arrived, but you can't book your flights until you've got a passport, so now we're booking flights just before, and now we're flying with a newborn, which was a challenge. And so ever since then, he's been flying all over the world, and I'm slowly populating his Jet Lover account with all of his flights because I love the fact people ask me like, "How do you know that that's how many flights you did?" Well, I've been using Jet Lover for nearly 15 years, which is most of my business flying time. And then before that, well, it was just easy to go back through calendars and so forth to put them in. But for Leo, there's no excuse for me not to have, or for him when he's my age, you know 22, there's no excuse for him to have a whole list of all his flights, which includes flights from when he was six weeks old and so forth. Travelling with a child is a lot of fun. We have adapted. We're actually really good at it now, aren't we?

[00:05:47.12] - Leo Summers
Yeah.

[00:05:47.28] - Marc Summers
I checked in for a flight a couple of years ago. I was flying from Austin back to Spain with him, to drop him off with his mother, who lives in Spain. I checked in at Austin and she asked me how long were we going to be in Spain for? Because my passport has a US visa in it and I said, "Well, he's going to be in Spain for a few months and I'm going to be in Spain for 27 hours". She's like, "Well, why?" I said, "Well, I'm dropping him off and then I fly back." And so she said, "Well, why don't you just use the child..."

[00:06:26.05] - Gordon Drayson
Courier service.

[00:06:27.15] - Marc Summers
Courier service. You put them in the mail and send them. I said, "Oh, no, we're not ready for that." Because it's not like... She was saying that when she was four, she used to fly to her grandparents all the time. And it's different for us than it is for her. A flight from Austin to Dallas, for example, is a very simple flight. You drop the child off at the gate and they get on a plane, they sit on a plane and get looked after by the air stewardess or flight attendant or whatever they're called this week, and then they...

[00:07:07.14] - Gordon Drayson
Get collected at the gate

[00:07:09.29] - Marc Summers
Get collected at the gate by a parent or whoever who's also got a gateside pass.

[00:07:15.00] - Leo Summers
Wasn't it from Spain to Texas? I remember.

[00:07:19.18] - Marc Summers
No, it was from Austin. It was going the other way.

[00:07:22.25] - Leo Summers
Oh ok.

[00:07:23.01] - Marc Summers
It's okay. I said, "Well, we're not ready for that." I joke with Leo, don't I? That when he's 40, I'll let him fly by himself, until then. Because to fly from Austin all the way to Spain is three flights. Austin to put some American flight, let's say, New York, New York to Amsterdam, Amsterdam to Valencia. But what we've been doing for the last, what, probably three or four years is Leo controls the journey. So I just follow Leo now. It's cool because okay, we're not ready for him to fly by himself, but at least he understands. We were talking about it last night, weren't we? We landed at Gatwick at midnight last night.

[00:08:12.26] - Leo Summers
We got into the hotel at 1, and then we didn't get to sleep until 2am.

[00:08:20.19] - Marc Summers
It was pretty bad. But we were joking with the immigration guy about Paddington. If you've seen the latest Paddington film, he gets his passport and because he gets stuck in the passport box, his passport photo is like him smushed against the glass because it said, put your eyes here. And so he's smushed. And so I was joking with the immigration guy. "Oh, do you need me to smush my face against the glass?" And we were talking afterwards, when we were going to get our baggage is that it's okay for us to joke with an immigration person in the UK, because we're British and they kind of have to let us in. But we don't joke with immigration people in the US because it's a different scenario. And so he's been learning over the last 10 years, well, five or six years, what etticute of flying and so forth. And it's kind of cool. Should we tell them-

[00:09:19.17] - Gordon Drayson
But also learning what the gate numbers are and how you get to them, how you find them, all that sort of thing.

[00:09:25.03] - Marc Summers
Yeah, which we're-

[00:09:26.02] - Gordon Drayson
Because when Taylor was a lot younger, we used to go to London a lot, and I used to lead us on the underground network because there's so many of them. You figure out your journey, you then have to follow all the signs, etc. It was really important to me that he learnt how to get around London easily. It got to a point when his cousin used to call him up and say, "I'm going to this place, how do I get there?" Taylor would then say, "Right, will you get this tube to here, you get this tube to here, you might want to get a bus at this point."

[00:10:05.02] - Marc Summers
How to get to Mornington Crescent.

[00:10:07.17] - Gordon Drayson
Exactly. And now, if we go to London, I leave it to Taylor now. He's taken over that role, which is really good. It's important, I think, for children to be able to find their way around these places.

[00:10:21.26] - Marc Summers
We learned something about two or three trips ago, didn't we? Because we'd found a flight to Austin on the board, and so we went to the gate, and then we were like, "Oh, they're boarding early." And so we were like, "Oh, well, let's get ourselves ready." And it turned out that it was a completely different flight to Austin. And I was all confused. I'm like, "Oh, I didn't realise Southwest had a partnership with Delta," who I normally fly with. But it's fine. And so we learned that we not only need to find the destination and the time and everything else.

[00:10:58.02] - Leo Summers
Daddy says it's because of me, because I looked at the board saying, "Okay, Austin is to this flight at this gate." Then he says, then he's like, "Why did you take us here?" When he I should have checked.

[00:11:15.28] - Marc Summers
I should have checked, yeah. We learned a new thing that we hadn't needed to learn before, that not only do you look for the destination, but also the flight number and things like that. So, yeah, that's me.

[00:11:28.26] - Gordon Drayson
Basically, your overall theme for today is work out what your destination is and make sure that everything you do heads towards that destination.

[00:11:40.05] - Marc Summers
My last couple of months has been working out how I can make sure I get on the 201st episode.

[00:11:47.07] - Gordon Drayson
There we go. Here you are. Fantastic. Well done, Marc. So we have our new guest star today, and that is Leo. And he has a topic for us, do you?

[00:11:59.07] - Leo Summers
Math.

[00:12:00.09] - Gordon Drayson
Oh, now in England, we call it Maths. Let me just translate that for any English listeners. Go ahead.

[00:12:07.18] - Marc Summers
Is that because you do it twice?

[00:12:09.03] - Gordon Drayson
No, it's because it's plural. There's more than one sum. Right, off you go.

[00:12:13.17] - Leo Summers
So I'm Leo. This is my first time on this-

[00:12:17.25] - Gordon Drayson
This week With.

[00:12:18.19] - Leo Summers
This Week With. And I find it cool how these two amazing people for the past few years have been doing this. Now, I love math, and it's something I've been always loving since I was a little kid because the way you can just grab something, a number, one number, and then you can just use that for anything you want in a division, multiplication, anything. I've been doing great in math in school, and I honestly love it. Now, there's another thing which is interesting with me, which is my second name is Fibonacci. And Fibonacci, the actual person, was good at math, and I'm great at math. When I do exams, I either get probably a nine or above but there was this one exam a few months ago that I got a 4.2 because it didn't really go so well.

[00:13:40.08] - Marc Summers
Everyone in the class got a bad mark that time, didn't they?

[00:13:44.00] - Leo Summers
Not much.

[00:13:44.20] - Marc Summers
Not really? No. Just you?

[00:13:46.17] - Gordon Drayson
But did you figure out why you got a bad mark and make sure that you understood why?

[00:13:53.01] - Leo Summers
It wasn't a good week.

[00:13:54.06] - Marc Summers
It was a weird week that week.

[00:13:55.27] - Gordon Drayson
Okay, so other things were happening?

[00:13:58.04] - Leo Summers
Yeah.

[00:13:58.17] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah, I understand.

[00:13:59.20] - Leo Summers
So, I honestly love math because every single time they give us homework for math, that's the first thing I would probably do. They've given us math problems for when Easter is done, so we go back to school and we do it all. I'm going to finish that when I get back. But I love math because you can do so many many things with it. There's no limit with it. You can divide 100 times one number or stuff like that. There's no limit to math.

[00:14:43.28] - Marc Summers
Do you think you're good at math because we called you Leonardo Fibonacci.

[00:14:48.24] - Leo Summers
I mean, it could be.

[00:14:49.29] - Marc Summers
Do you think it's based on your name that you're good at math, or do you think you're good at math just because that's something that you like, just like you like Roblox?

[00:15:00.22] - Leo Summers
I think it's both.

[00:15:01.29] - Taylor Drayson
What's your favourite topic inside of math?

[00:15:07.25] - Leo Summers
Of numbers and divisions, something like that? Probably on the most divisions and decimals.

[00:15:18.10] - Taylor Drayson
Tricky.

[00:15:18.16] - Gordon Drayson
Can I just ask you a question? Is it because a lot of maths is about problem solving and figuring out puzzles and that sort of thing? Is that part of what makes you want to do the maths and enjoy it?

[00:15:33.05] - Leo Summers
Yeah.

[00:15:33.23] - Gordon Drayson
Okay, that's really interesting.

[00:15:35.03] - Leo Summers
Do you have a question?

[00:15:37.20] - Taylor Drayson
What area or subject within maths do you enjoy the most? Is there a certain area that you enjoy the most? In terms of solving within that, do you enjoy? Obviously, the division, but what parts of it, shapes or is it more of like the...

[00:16:03.09] - Leo Summers
It's the fun part of knowing how to do it really easily and easily doing it in the next five seconds.

[00:16:14.15] - Gordon Drayson
I have one more question, if that's allowed? I realise you're only 10 years old at the moment, but do you see yourself doing something in the future as a job that has maths as part of it? And if so, what is it?

[00:16:30.15] - Leo Summers
I'm not sure yet.

[00:16:32.01] - Gordon Drayson
Okay.

[00:16:33.11] - Leo Summers
Honestly, just I love math.

[00:16:37.23] - Gordon Drayson
Okay. It's good to have something you're passionate about. I think if you're passionate about something, you end up excelling at it because it's something you really enjoy doing. And as self-employed people, we find that with what we do. We've chosen something that we really enjoy doing, and therefore we've become really good at it because we love doing it. And I think that's a really important-

[00:17:01.26] - Marc Summers
That's the hedgehog principle.

[00:17:03.16] - Gordon Drayson
It is? It is.

[00:17:05.19] - Marc Summers
For those of you that don't know the hedgehog principle, I don't have time to go into it fully, maybe Google it, but the hedgehog principle is the three areas of being good at something, enjoying something, and being paid well for something. If you're good at something and paid well at something, but you don't enjoy it, then that's a job. But if you enjoy it and...

[00:17:30.06] - Gordon Drayson
This is a little bit like the cheap, the fast, and the quality.

[00:17:36.02] - Marc Summers
Yeah, very much. But with that, you only can ever have two of them. With this, if you have all three: you're good at it, you enjoy it, and you're paid well, that's called your sweet spot.

[00:17:49.05] - Gordon Drayson
You're a perfect triangle.

[00:17:49.29] - Marc Summers
That's the middle piece, and that's called the sweet spot of the hedgehog principle.

[00:17:56.22] - Leo Summers
So, one of you two, whoever, it doesn't matter, ask me a division.

[00:18:06.28] - Marc Summers
Live on This Week With.

[00:18:08.11] - Gordon Drayson
Oh, my goodness. Okay. I must say, the light keeps changing every now and then because we've got a spectator in today. We have Caroline, who was also on our last two episodes, who's actually watching at the minute.

[00:18:25.19] - Marc Summers
In the wings.

[00:18:25.24] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah, she is in the wings.

[00:18:27.14] - Marc Summers
She's got the stall seat.

[00:18:28.01] - Gordon Drayson
She keeps weaving as if she's trying to... If we could all wave at her, maybe she'll stop. There we go. I'm so sorry. We have a question from the floor. I do apologise. Yes.

[00:18:39.28] - Caroline Ainsley
I want to know, is the only thing about this, anything that Math does is numbers, arithmetic, addition, subtraction, multiplication, division. Is there any other part of maths that you enjoy?

[00:18:51.02] - Leo Summers
Yes.

[00:18:51.13] - Marc Summers
Are we going to need to repeat the question?

[00:18:52.15] - Gordon Drayson
I'm going to repeat, yeah.

[00:18:52.26] - Gordon Drayson
So the question, in case you didn't hear it is, is there anything other than the multiplication, division, addition, and subtraction that he enjoys in the maths area?

[00:19:08.20] - Leo Summers
We haven't really studied that much until decimals. So dividing 456 divided by a thousand, which would be 0.456. So, in the end, we've studied until that point, and now we're getting to harder.

[00:19:35.15] - Gordon Drayson
Okay, and you're still enjoying it, even though it's getting harder? Excellent. That's exactly what we want to hear.

[00:19:40.29] - Leo Summers
Now, going back to my question, ask me a decimal.

[00:19:45.07] - Marc Summers
A decimal or division?

[00:19:46.09] - Gordon Drayson
A division. All right, let's go with 427 divided by 10. We're doing this live on air, okay?

[00:20:04.12] - Marc Summers
Without ChatGPT or-

[00:20:05.26] - Gordon Drayson
I'm just filling in the time while he's thinking about the answer.

[00:20:10.06] - Gordon Drayson
That way it's not just dead air and people listening to this in their car will be thinking.

[00:20:18.08] - Leo Summers
42.7.

[00:20:19.11] - Gordon Drayson
42.7 is exactly right. Big round of applause for Leo there. Well done, 10-year-old, live on air.

[00:20:25.04] - Marc Summers
Do you know that I was going to ask you a question, but I've never asked you before. It's very interesting to see if you can answer this. Do you know the first five numbers of the Fibonacci sequence?

[00:20:38.10] - Leo Summers
Nope.

[00:20:39.09] - Marc Summers
Wow. Okay. I feel like I have failed him here. I have let you down.

[00:20:45.18] - Gordon Drayson
Twice in one day.

[00:20:46.14] - Marc Summers
We are on this trip for a week, and by the end of this week... I remember when I taught you my phone number. Do you remember? Don't put it out on air because I don't want all these listeners to call me. But you do remember my phone number?

[00:20:59.14] - Leo Summers
Yes.

[00:20:59.28] - Marc Summers
Okay, so I remember when we were learning my phone number.

[00:21:03.28] - Gordon Drayson
I'm just talking loudly, so you can't get that.

[00:21:09.10] - Marc Summers
I remember when I taught you my phone number. This week-

[00:21:11.11] - Leo Summers
You paid me 20 bucks.

[00:21:12.08] - Marc Summers
I paid you 20 bucks to learn my phone number, yeah, because it was important that you-

[00:21:16.11] - Leo Summers
How you paying me 20 bucks to learn?

[00:21:18.03] - Marc Summers
I'm not going to pay you 20 bucks to learn your own name's number sequence. But I think this week we're going to work. This week we-

[00:21:27.21] - Leo Summers
I think I remember.

[00:21:30.02] - Gordon Drayson
I'm going to just- We'll come back to it. I think we'll round out this episode by having Marc give us the first five numbers in the Fibonacci sequence. If any one of our listeners doesn't understand what it is, this is a reason to go and look it up.

[00:21:45.05] - Marc Summers
Give me a sec. For those of you who don't know, Fibonacci actually appears in nature quite a lot. A snake shell, that spiral on a snake shell is a Fibonacci spiral in pineapples, in leaves. Most plants, 99% of plants, have Fibonacci numbers in their leaves. I think there's only one, the four-leaf clover is the only-

[00:22:11.18] - Gordon Drayson
It's ratios, isn't it?

[00:22:14.22] - Caroline Ainsley
It's a myth.

[00:22:15.08] - Marc Summers
Okay. Apparently, according to the wings, there is no four-leaf clover, so no plant probably have-

[00:22:21.20] - Caroline Ainsley
The producer.

[00:22:23.05] - Marc Summers
The producer, right? She just promoted herself to producer. You're going to have to add her to the titles now. Anyway, so the Fibonacci sequence is zero and then one. Then to get to the other numbers, you add the previous number to the next number. It's 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, etc.

[00:22:43.28] - Gordon Drayson
Very good.

[00:22:45.08] - Marc Summers
I actually went to the Fibonacci conference in 2025, and I felt it was as good as 2024 and 2023 put together this year. It was absolutely amazing.

[00:22:59.11] - Gordon Drayson
Amazing. There we go. On that bombshell, we have-

[00:23:04.26] - Marc Summers
Is bombshell, another word for joke.

[00:23:05.20] - Gordon Drayson
Yes.

[00:23:06.01] - Marc Summers
Okay.

[00:23:06.11] - Gordon Drayson
No, it's the end of Top Gear. That's what they all say. "And on that bombshell," we will round out our episode. Thank you so much for joining us for this, the end of our 200th episode celebration, really. We started with a special episode before 200. We then had the 200th, and now we've got a special episode after the 200th. So I think we've actually done quite well to celebrate this milestone. And thank you, everyone who has joined us, whether it's been from episode one or from episode 199. We don't mind. Thank you for being with us. As always, you can find us on YouTube and all of our episodes are up there. Please like, share and subscribe.

[00:23:53.26] - Taylor Drayson
You can also go to our website thisweekwith.co.uk to find all of our past episodes.

[00:23:58.15] - Gordon Drayson
And if you prefer to listen to us, we're on all the major podcast platforms. Just do a search for "This Week With Taylor and Gordon." We will be... Well, two of us will be back with you.

[00:24:09.11] - Marc Summers
I won't be back.

[00:24:10.11] - Gordon Drayson
No, Marc, we can't afford it, to be honest. The budget is very low on these shows.

[00:24:16.03] - Leo Summers
I mean, maybe somehow teleport over.

[00:24:17.28] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah, okay. If you don't see Leo next week, it's because his teleportation skills are not working as good as they should be. But give it time. He'll work out all the maths for it, I'm sure, and he'll figure it out at some point. So until next week, thank you for joining us. My name's Gordon, I'm from Drayson Design.

[00:24:39.20] - Taylor Drayson
I'm Taylor from The Creative Tinker.

[00:24:41.23] - Leo Summers
I'm Leo.

[00:24:42.20] - Marc Summers
And I'm Marc from the Automated Marketing Agency.

[00:24:45.03] - Caroline Ainsley
And I'm the audience.

[00:24:46.06] - Gordon Drayson
And that is our... She's becoming the audience now. She's decided she doesn't want to be the producer. Wow! I don't know if that's good or bad.

[00:24:56.23] - Marc Summers
She's just put another line in the credits. Producer, audience.

[00:25:00.01] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah, we don't have credits. She can keep going as much as she likes. We'll see you next week. Until then, goodbye.

[00:25:10.00] - Leo Summers
Bye.

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